[dropship]

Okay, so I have three primary things in mind whenever I play a DM match:

1. Situational awareness. Don't run into or stay in a 1v3, and don't Rev snipe.

2. Minimalize damage taken (Sort of ties in to the first one). Try to pull off a kill while taking as little damage as possible, aka aiming as well as possible.

3. Figure out where the enemy is. I do this pretty much by looking at where my team is and/or tailing one other person on my team.

Yet this is pretty much my average score every match:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7832677/S4%20League/dm.jpg

(Which I know isn't bad, but I want to get better)

Any advice? I suppose I'll need to highlight my tendencies, so here goes. My main set is Rev/Smash (Semi on Highway and Neden-3)/CS @ HP+30. I avoid getting close unless I'm absolutely sure it's a 1v1 (or 1vx with the other guys being really low HP/deadweight) or unless I know I won't be noticed and can run away fast enough if I have to. Whenever I'm close I always rely on my Revolver.

I only use my CS on mobs of people, and only when I'm positive I can kill everyone without being snuck up on. Also to kill Shields when the situation calls for it.

Smash for everything else. Semi for annoying snipers on big maps.

[Night]

well, i love playing deathmatch and i had a phase where i did nothing more then playing DM.

if i get it right - u need some tips ?

at very first i'd like to talk about your setup

Revo - just more then fine ! if someone get close to you this is the best weapon to avoid

Semi/smash - i'd prefer to take smash or smg, both deal great damage and are mid-range guns
for some reason semi isn't really comfortable in my eyes cuz it deals not enough damage when u're no ap-pig
nevertheless it's ur choice which *mid-range*gun u take

CS - For usuall it's good but keep in mind u are a easy target when you use CS
i'd take a railgun cuz this is the best weapon to keep alive but if you can't snipe this is fine
if you can move really well i think a PS is better cuz you keep moving while you try to hit the target

30HP+ - well, it's obvious the best DM-Skill but i'd take Shield when i am sniping

All in all your equip is already good and my *advice* is more based on personal stuff


The next hint is : Experience + Knowledge

I am not the best aimer but i still don't suck at DM ( in my eyes )
The secret is : Experience + Knowledge
By saying Experience and knowledge i do NOT mean *Get detect and you will know where your enemis are* but by saying knowledge and knowledge i mean : Play a lot of DM , Get used to respawn-spots , Keep some enemies in target cuz they're easier to kill then others , know where they will move or walk , just shoot from the back and support your teammates , lure the enemies into spots where they will die etc. etc.

there are lots of things which gives u big advantage if you get used to it
i'd say this is about 50% of a good game with extraordinary statistics cuz
you can't get a K/D-Rate of 3-4 just by *1on1*ing the enemies xcept they're really low

and well - atm i dont got more to say xcept : just play a lot to get good

if you want we can play a DM game some day together :P

[Mayu]

Night, on 05 February 2011 - 12:01 PM, said:

well, i love playing deathmatch and i had a phase where i did nothing more then playing DM.

if i get it right - u need some tips ?

at very first i'd like to talk about your setup

Revo - just more then fine ! if someone get close to you this is the best weapon to avoid

Semi/smash - i'd prefer to take smash or smg, both deal great damage and are mid-range guns
for some reason semi isn't really comfortable in my eyes cuz it deals not enough damage when u're no ap-pig
nevertheless it's ur choice which *mid-range*gun u take

CS - For usuall it's good but keep in mind u are a easy target when you use CS
i'd take a railgun cuz this is the best weapon to keep alive but if you can't snipe this is fine
if you can move really well i think a PS is better cuz you keep moving while you try to hit the target

30HP+ - well, it's obvious the best DM-Skill but i'd take Shield when i am sniping

All in all your equip is already good and my *advice* is more based on personal stuff


The next hint is : Experience + Knowledge

I am not the best aimer but i still don't suck at DM ( in my eyes )
The secret is : Experience + Knowledge
By saying Experience and knowledge i do NOT mean *Get detect and you will know where your enemis are* but by saying knowledge and knowledge i mean : Play a lot of DM , Get used to respawn-spots , Keep some enemies in target cuz they're easier to kill then others , know where they will move or walk , just shoot from the back and support your teammates , lure the enemies into spots where they will die etc. etc.

there are lots of things which gives u big advantage if you get used to it
i'd say this is about 50% of a good game with extraordinary statistics cuz
you can't get a K/D-Rate of 3-4 just by *1on1*ing the enemies xcept they're really low

and well - atm i dont got more to say xcept : just play a lot to get good

if you want we can play a DM game some day together :P

There's almost no difference in damage between +1~15 semi at all.
+30 HP isn't always the best skill in DM, but yes, it's a good skill for most situations.

Map control & aim is everything in DM, that's all you really need to concentrate on. For those annoying people like Adora-Belle, take a sentry! It's kind of the easy way out, otherwise you need to monitor her movement everywhere you go :(

[BeyondD]

id Say Drop the CS in most of cases it will get you killed unless the enemy team has a lot of shielders. cs delay after attack will almost always get you killed when its not 1vs1 suffice to say if your great at CS then keep on using it But be warey to use it in the first place

Revolver is a great weapon nothing wrong with that but I still tend to rev snipe with it just so i can dish out a crit of 50-60 dmg at random.

Smg is just something you have to with ya at DM its interchangeable with Smash if thats what you like. Smg is just solid high damange and close and mid range and lots of ammo and more reliable than smash in overall

Semi can be great weapon to use however with semi get a +6 one. and just only go for headshots because thats how a semi is used body shots take too long. and if thats something you can't do just switch it with smash rifle or Gauss if you know how to play Gauss.

Next id say is keep moveing around the map conserve your sp, lurk, camp,rush, decoy whatever is needed to win at the moment. Any cheap shot is allowed :D but yeah that comes with experience keep in mind spawn points what the enemy set is how good they are in what position you are standing dun be shy too wait and lurk for a better spot to attack. hit and run works usually great.

Also you have to know a lot of jump spots to move around as fast as possible there is always to move faster around with your sp with jumps and runs and your agilty up anways if you need help il be willing to help. and bleh edit><
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This post has been edited by BeyondD: 05 February 2011 - 01:35 PM

[V-Breezy]

☆☆☆, on 05 February 2011 - 01:02 PM, said:

Night, on 05 February 2011 - 12:01 PM, said:

well, i love playing deathmatch and i had a phase where i did nothing more then playing DM.

if i get it right - u need some tips ?

at very first i'd like to talk about your setup

Revo - just more then fine ! if someone get close to you this is the best weapon to avoid

Semi/smash - i'd prefer to take smash or smg, both deal great damage and are mid-range guns
for some reason semi isn't really comfortable in my eyes cuz it deals not enough damage when u're no ap-pig
nevertheless it's ur choice which *mid-range*gun u take

CS - For usuall it's good but keep in mind u are a easy target when you use CS
i'd take a railgun cuz this is the best weapon to keep alive but if you can't snipe this is fine
if you can move really well i think a PS is better cuz you keep moving while you try to hit the target

30HP+ - well, it's obvious the best DM-Skill but i'd take Shield when i am sniping

All in all your equip is already good and my *advice* is more based on personal stuff


The next hint is : Experience + Knowledge

I am not the best aimer but i still don't suck at DM ( in my eyes )
The secret is : Experience + Knowledge
By saying Experience and knowledge i do NOT mean *Get detect and you will know where your enemis are* but by saying knowledge and knowledge i mean : Play a lot of DM , Get used to respawn-spots , Keep some enemies in target cuz they're easier to kill then others , know where they will move or walk , just shoot from the back and support your teammates , lure the enemies into spots where they will die etc. etc.

there are lots of things which gives u big advantage if you get used to it
i'd say this is about 50% of a good game with extraordinary statistics cuz
you can't get a K/D-Rate of 3-4 just by *1on1*ing the enemies xcept they're really low

and well - atm i dont got more to say xcept : just play a lot to get good

if you want we can play a DM game some day together :P

There's almost no difference in damage between +1~15 semi at all.
+30 HP isn't always the best skill in DM, but yes, it's a good skill for most situations.

Map control & aim is everything in DM, that's all you really need to concentrate on. For those annoying people like Adora-Belle, take a sentry! It's kind of the easy way out, otherwise you need to monitor her movement everywhere you go :(

I just run detect when I'm in a match with her, that way I don't need to worry about looking out for her invisible bullshit. ^______^

I guess my only advice is to always be on the move and don't be afraid to wall shoot. Sure, some people see you as an immoral faggot, but the point of DM is to die less than the other team. Don't do it all the time though, only when the situation calls for it.

[Defiance]

A piece of advice:

Always and I mean ALWAYS help out your team mates. It won't matter even if you score high if you don't help out your team mates.

It is not cheap to engage your enemy in a 2 vs 1 you know. Stick with a team mate that could help you carry the game if possible.

My secret to fun DMs is I always try to keep my team from dying without ever resorting to Mind Energy. A simple burst with your SMG/Semi to the back of an enemy could go a long way.

[dropship]

Thanks for your input everyone!

Let me clarify on my set: Revolver is pretty much my main weapon, since I attack mostly up close. I prefer Smash over SMG or any other spray for whatever reason; I feel like I aim better with it. CS, I'm aware, has to be used sparingly, and as such I only use it like three times per match, but it's nice to have it as my panic button.

I jump into 2v1/3v1/stacked in my favor situations a lot. I'm not afraid to be "cheap" either; I will type kill, wall shoot, etc. But I guess my main problem is dying. I die too much. I want to know what I can do to die less. My aim is er...good (I think) with Rev; it never takes me more than two or three shots to kill at close range. I'm pretty quick to get the hell out of there whenever I'm cornered, and I think I know maps well enough to not just run into big open spaces without expecting anything.

I think my main weakness is that I approach most people the same way until later in the match. Like for example in that screenshot I posted I was playing against AinasBarne (who I haven't played against in a while); he/she/it I found was a pain in the ass to approach. I didn't figure out how to consistently attack and get out of Dragonade shots until the second half was halfway done.

Thanks for your advice everyone, maybe I'll take offers to play all of you when I get un-scared ))))):

This post has been edited by Böneface: 05 February 2011 - 09:09 PM

[TheKyoKito]

yea you need long range weapons and close because people hide and shoot from afar.
i cant handle team deathmatch. i cant sit around, wait, hide, and shoot. i have the attitude that this is a TPS not CoD.
thats why my K/D is 0.40

[BeyondD]

If its about same apporoach yeah there not really much to say beside to find new ways to get over to the same spot or knowing where the enemy is before hand and trying to run into that blind aka. the back side or some flank side. those situations are more or less gambleing about 65% of the same due to just non visual comformation you can just get screwed over or a easy kill :3 anyways if your goign the same route anyone that isn't a moron will pick that up and kill you consectively. next if your dieing easyly it might also mean that you have bad dogeing abillities and im reffer to that with dogeing while shooting but also plain dogeing and also dogeing and hideing behind obstacles for safety. i suggest playing some 1vs1 friendly for that with just guns only and trying to purpose dodge and then move up with obstacles, shooting and dodgeing etc etc.

[dropship]

I'm not terribly bad at dodging, at least I don't think so. I only wavedash whenever I have to get the hell out of somewhere really fast, and I usually use my CS to do that (Another good reason to have a CS maybe :S). I don't make a habit of dying a hero's death either; I gun it whenever I see that I'm going to die if I stay any longer, and I pretty much always use any cover/high ground to my advantage.

I guess it's just a matter of experience on refining my approach. Unless anyone else has advice!

This post has been edited by Böneface: 06 February 2011 - 05:40 AM

[Night]

the secret of not dying so much

1. you just kill your enemy too fast so he can't deal any damage to you

you can do this by :
-getting him from the back and be a big surprise
-killing him while is moving to you ( means before the actual fight starts )
-just being superpro and only do crits like a aimbot

this is the hardest way to survive
in addition to the kinda hard gameplay u gotta calculate the pity the enemy will get when u score too fast

2. you kill your enemy before he know that you're there ( aka being a ninja )

you can do this by :
-getting him from the back and be a big surprise
-sniping or really good semi sniping
-hiding behind teammates so he only recognize your damage
-using invisible in hope your enemy dont got detect

the last point should be done carefully!

3. play with a healer and be patient ( aka camping )

for this you need a mate with heal or just bit luck that u got a teammate with heal
only take guns cuz swords make you to a easy target
lure the enemies and get free and easy kills

a sentry,nell,food,drinks,music and a tent might be usefull for camping

under the impulse of the moment that is all what i can tell u :x

hope it helped

[fake]

Honestly, if you want a high KDR, all you really need to do is camp. DM is fucking easy.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/zmukC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eJhPV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/anxsg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/chJdL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jE2ci.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dKE8G.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mwwc2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EadJc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T5MGo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LC1ea.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5yMeI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Eo3Eu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nX4jw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UJtY5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FnaWl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dJ64t.jpg

No, I'm not egoing; these scores aren't anything extraordinary, and neither was I; but it's quite a bit better than most others, simply because I knew how to play DM. My intention of posting these screenshots is to show you that I have some merit to what I am preaching.

Sure, a lot of people find camping boring which is why very few good aimers play it - I can only really remember ZeronEve and Evrika, but since they don't camp their scores weren't that representative of their aim. I maintained a legit 20 kdr when I played, very rarely having heal, and I really doubt my aim was bounds above anyone else.

There's a way to play DM and have a lot of fun, and there's a way to play DM and never die. I played using the second method, which consisted of 80% of my kills from Semi-Rifle sniping and Railgun sniping (I rarely wallshot in DM, simply because I was too lazy to push Z.. but I digress). My Semi-Rifle aim was mediocre at best, simply because I had a piss poor crit rate so it'd take me between 12-17 combos to kill someone, and my Railgun aim was pretty bad too since I only played like one DM a day and never ran a Railgun in TD. The main method of getting high scores in DM is to survive, not to kill. There were times where there would be five people with half HP standing next to each other and I could've easily went up to them and SMG'd them, probably killing all five but then dying or at least losing HP in the process; but since I focused on not dying than on killing, I'd end up with fewer kills, but a much higher ratio.

This method of camping consisted of never leaving my side of the base on Neden-2 and Neden-3 and remaining in one area on Neden-1 and Highway. On Neden-2 I'd usually just Railgun snipe from both bases; Neden-3 I'd wallshoot from the bottom stairway near the warehouses or stand on top of the base warehouses to snipe if I knew none of them could aim with a Semi-Rifle. Highway I'd usually just snipe from the top corner things; wallshooting is applicable there too but most people don't even notice you're there for most of the game. Neden-1 was probably the hardest to camp with, I'd usually end up dying there at least once; sniping from the bottom ramp or the back roof usually got me most of my kills, but occasionally you can camp the warehouse if you're team isn't that retarded. I really never went out in the open or circled Neden-1 because you're bound to lose HP in the process. Usually the farther away from someone you are, the harder it is for them to hit you, which is why Semi-Rifle and Railgun were optimal guns for me. I wouldn't really 1v1 someone unless it was needed, meaning they'd try to 'sneak up' on me while I was sniping or in Neden-1 where someone will start hunting you after a while of not dying.

tl;dr - camp, use Semi-Rifle/Railgun, don't 1v1 people or enter situations where you're bound to lose HP, surviving is more important than killing.

[TheKyoKito]

fap2kids, on 06 February 2011 - 06:21 PM, said:

Honestly, if you want a high KDR, all you really need to do is camp. DM is fucking easy.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/zmukC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eJhPV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/anxsg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/chJdL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jE2ci.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dKE8G.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mwwc2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EadJc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T5MGo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LC1ea.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5yMeI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Eo3Eu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nX4jw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UJtY5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FnaWl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dJ64t.jpg

No, I'm not egoing; these scores aren't anything extraordinary, and neither was I; but it's quite a bit better than most others, simply because I knew how to play DM. My intention of posting these screenshots is to show you that I have some merit to what I am preaching.

Sure, a lot of people find camping boring which is why very few good aimers play it - I can only really remember ZeronEve and Evrika, but since they don't camp their scores weren't that representative of their aim. I maintained a legit 20 kdr when I played, very rarely having heal, and I really doubt my aim was bounds above anyone else.

There's a way to play DM and have a lot of fun, and there's a way to play DM and never die. I played using the second method, which consisted of 80% of my kills from Semi-Rifle sniping and Railgun sniping (I rarely wallshot in DM, simply because I was too lazy to push Z.. but I digress). My Semi-Rifle aim was mediocre at best, simply because I had a piss poor crit rate so it'd take me between 12-17 combos to kill someone, and my Railgun aim was pretty bad too since I only played like one DM a day and never ran a Railgun in TD. The main method of getting high scores in DM is to survive, not to kill. There were times where there would be five people with half HP standing next to each other and I could've easily went up to them and SMG'd them, probably killing all five but then dying or at least losing HP in the process; but since I focused on not dying than on killing, I'd end up with fewer kills, but a much higher ratio.

This method of camping consisted of never leaving my side of the base on Neden-2 and Neden-3 and remaining in one area on Neden-1 and Highway. On Neden-2 I'd usually just Railgun snipe from both bases; Neden-3 I'd wallshoot from the bottom stairway near the warehouses or stand on top of the base warehouses to snipe if I knew none of them could aim with a Semi-Rifle. Highway I'd usually just snipe from the top corner things; wallshooting is applicable there too but most people don't even notice you're there for most of the game. Neden-1 was probably the hardest to camp with, I'd usually end up dying there at least once; sniping from the bottom ramp or the back roof usually got me most of my kills, but occasionally you can camp the warehouse if you're team isn't that retarded. I really never went out in the open or circled Neden-1 because you're bound to lose HP in the process. Usually the farther away from someone you are, the harder it is for them to hit you, which is why Semi-Rifle and Railgun were optimal guns for me. I wouldn't really 1v1 someone unless it was needed, meaning they'd try to 'sneak up' on me while I was sniping or in Neden-1 where someone will start hunting you after a while of not dying.

tl;dr - camp, use Semi-Rifle/Railgun, don't 1v1 people or enter situations where you're bound to lose HP, surviving is more important than killing.

that would be helpful for me, but im so impaicent in dm i quit it.

Edit: btw do i know you?

This post has been edited by TheKyoKito: 06 February 2011 - 10:09 PM

[dropship]

fap2kids, on 06 February 2011 - 06:21 PM, said:

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Well...I took your advice and went 78-5 on Highway. >___>

I'm beginning to question the usefulness of Revolver in my set now though. Partly because I'm attached to it, but also because I don't get close nearly as much as I used to anymore.

EDIT: I don't stay in one spot and camp forever either. I just look for people who aren't paying attention and try to pick them off. I get close if it's the absolute best option.

This post has been edited by Böneface: 06 February 2011 - 11:35 PM

[Hamlet Piglet]

usually in pubs it's best to get invisible.

[Sanzo]

Detect if you know the map layout and abuse the terrain advantage