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User is offline   JesterJoker 

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I read other topics and following advice given there for aimming. I only play tunnel, my mouse sensitivity is low, 30+ fps, I only use submachine guns with hand gun and I am wearing +30 hp. It's doing wonders for my aim but now I want to get critical hits so I can kill faster.

What I'm asking is for someone to maybe watch me in action and give me tips and advice based on what they see.

Anyone up to helping a newbie?

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It's more simple than your making it actually. So you want to improve your crit rate, right? Your playing tunnel, that's good. You might want to throw a semi rifle in your set to, since it's the most accurate gun in the game.

Now down to the aiming, a lot of it is mental. When you aim, do you focus on the enemy or on the crosshair? You want to focus on the cross hair, and I really mean FOCUS. Making sure your aiming for the head/neck every single time. And pay attention, if you see yourself hitting body shots while your in a fight, just remind yourself that your target is the head and pull your cross hair up. Don't get lazy and go for body shots because it's easier. You won't improve that way. If you want to crit, tell yourself in your head, "I'M GOING TO CRIT". Tell yourself that every time. It's mental, its confidence in yourself. Just remember, your aim has no limits to how far it can go. Everyone has potential. If you remember that, and keep telling yourself you want to improve, you will improve. And practice, practice, practice makes perfect. ^__^

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Since you are playing Tunnel only right now, try Smg/Smash/Semi, it's pretty much the best set for Tunnel since it's a pure DM map. I also think it's about memorising the spread of each weapon and then getting used to how the other person/people move(s). Many people move in a similar way, some slightly different, making it harder/easier depending on a few things. Not sure what else you can do other than practice out what you are already doing. Making sure you are in a comfortable/flexible position also helps some people. I think the highlight of what I wrote would simply to just practice with the guns you are using/want to use and that's about all.

Lastly, I wouldn't mind watching you play sometime. S4 is pretty boring for me now so sure, doing something like this could be more interesting.


Let me know when it's a good time.

This post has been edited by ☆☆☆: 23 December 2010 - 01:16 PM


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After reading what you said Mako, It makes me want to practice even harder now. Good words of encouragement.

This post has been edited by Copywright: 23 December 2010 - 04:54 AM


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most of us gunslingers use the the jumping while shooting style
it increases the chance of headshots.
and take mayu's and versa's advice,
semi rifle has dominate accuracy.

P.S. your characters movement has alot to do with your aim. ^^

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Thanks for the great advice and tips I'll follow them. I'm sure I will get better!

This post has been edited by JesterJoker: 23 December 2010 - 12:37 PM


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Run up to the enemy, jump and shoot in tha' face. Works like a charm. Long-range strafing works too, but that only works after you've gotten the hang of your SMG like it's a part of your character's body. As for smash rifle, it's awesome with the SMG. Lots of ammo, good crit chance and relatively easy to aim. Good for finishing off wounded opponents if you need that little pinpoint accuracy (or if you don't have a semi rifle). Handgun has about the same spread (or rather it is) as the Smash so, you wouldn't have trouble figuring it out.

Best way to score crits for me? I normally just shoot without really focusing on the crosshair. I know where my crosshair is and I make sure it is properly placed on a character while I unload bullets. Shoot dodge and shoot. If you focus on the crosshair, chances are you'll focus on one character only and not your environment. You can focus on your crosshair, it's all good but you're not fighting just one enemy. There's a whole room full of bullets and projectiles everywhere.

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View PostVersa, on 23 December 2010 - 03:47 AM, said:

And practice, practice, practice makes perfect. ^__^


all you need to do.

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View PostCopywright, on 23 December 2010 - 04:54 AM, said:

After reading what you said Mako, It makes me want to practice even harder now. Good words of encouragement.

Glad I could encourage!

View PostDefiance, on 23 December 2010 - 01:39 PM, said:

Run up to the enemy, jump and shoot in tha' face. Works like a charm. Long-range strafing works too, but that only works after you've gotten the hang of your SMG like it's a part of your character's body. As for smash rifle, it's awesome with the SMG. Lots of ammo, good crit chance and relatively easy to aim. Good for finishing off wounded opponents if you need that little pinpoint accuracy (or if you don't have a semi rifle). Handgun has about the same spread (or rather it is) as the Smash so, you wouldn't have trouble figuring it out.

Best way to score crits for me? I normally just shoot without really focusing on the crosshair. I know where my crosshair is and I make sure it is properly placed on a character while I unload bullets. Shoot dodge and shoot. If you focus on the crosshair, chances are you'll focus on one character only and not your environment. You can focus on your crosshair, it's all good but you're not fighting just one enemy. There's a whole room full of bullets and projectiles everywhere.


That goes under situational awareness. You want to really focus on your crosshair, while being aware of your surroundings. Playing DM helps a lot with improving this skill.

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I'll just be talking about smgs, since that's what I'm most familiar with~

Scoring crits with smgs is pretty much an art form of it's own~ Smgs have definite and balanced spreads, making them really good for short to midrange distances and even long pickoffs!~

Excuse me if I go too much into detail > _ <;; I'm usually kinda like a rocket scientist on this, and my execution of these are pretty weak...

I think the most key points in hitting most with smgs is to know some of the things that affect your enviroment and key gameplay: distance, situation, leverage, the player you're facing, and most importantly, yourself!~ Assuming that you're already quite good with tracing and the aim on smgs, I'll go into detail about the spread XD;

Smgs have the burst spread of an inverted Y~ They're used to be optimized for spraying and also picking off long distances, the damage is good and it's possible to land crits from any distance, confirming you know or can predict where the bullets will land. The first bullet is the top, the next 2 bullets are left then right corners, and then finally, the last one is center, and that pattern repeats until you run out of bullets.

The way the spread is, it's really useful, and it's also a contributing factor to why some players like me will land more hits with smgs than a smash rifle (smgs' rival). Though the spread is a bit more, again, it's definite, and if you play the right way, with the right aim, intuition, and prediction, you can kill enemies easily from any possible distance.

How you should aim though, and this is where it might get a little confusing, is that it really just depends on your distance. Since distance affects how far your particles will spread due to angular interference, you usually want to, in encounters:

Very close, almost melee range: Trace the head of your opponent, the spray will be concentrated, and if you happen to land, say like 3 or 4 crits, you got your enemy done for! What I mean trace, is use your own body, or your character, to 'mimic' the altitude and direction at which your enemy's character or body is at i.e. if the enemy is jumping, jump also, and leave your crosshair on the head. If your enemy is running in a direction that is left or right from you (not backwards or forward), then walk the direction left or right that your enemy runs and continue to trace the head! Not too confusing, I hope?

tl;dr Move to match pace with your enemy, trace the head, and earn major crits!

Somewhat close: You want to aim for the torso. Since first particle bullet will be a little bit above your crosshair, it can easily land on the head of your enemy, and as for the lower 2 bullets, they'll probably hit, and if you're skilled enough, the center bullet will land on the enemy's head also!~ Skilled players with good aim can manage to get all 4 bullets to hit, and this is done by lifting the crosshair up slowly after the first shot crits. Of course, however, if your enemy is moving, then do your best to trace and aim for the torso, and this is where prediction comes into play~ If you know where your enemy is going to go or how your enemy moves to try to throw your aim off, shoot where they will land, kind of like revo, except you're still keeping your crosshair on them after a shot~

tl;dr Aim for the torso!

Midrange: It's a little different. The further you are from your opponent, the more you want to aim for the center. Ideally, if your aim is dead on the center with correct estimation of bullet spread on your smgs, your first bullet will hit the head and crit, the lower two bullets will hit, and then move your crosshair just a bit upward (though this takes a LOT of skill) to hopefully get another crit! It's not really necessary to get crits from midrange, but it is possible, it just takes a lot of practice when you take the factors into account that not everyone can trace perfectly. 1 crit + 2 or 3 bodyhits, in loop, can take your opponent down rapidly. So it would be possible in fact, to actually kill someone midrange with probably around 6-7 bullets.

tl;dr Aim for the center!~

Longrange (pickoffs): If you ever manage to be in this situation, it's not too hard, you just have to keep in mind that your spread will be more than normal, and probably a larger (if somewhat equal) spread than a full bodylength. What I mean long, is say, a map like Colosseum from around one point of the map to the other, making a tangent. It's POSSIBLE, but in practice, it's quite difficult. If you think the spread is quite midrange, keep your crosshair on your enemy's center, and hopefully, top bullet will hit head (crit), next 2 will hit legs (bodyshots) and center will be a bodyshot or a crit (skilled!). In longer ranges, it will be quite hard to predict where your top (first) bullet will go for a crit, and that will also cancel out the chances of your other 2 bottom shots being bodyshots and maybe only your center bullet will hit. But you're probably not going to use smgs for this purpose, however, if you are, I wish you good tidings~

tl;dr It's difficult. If you have another wep to use at long distances, then don't worry, but aim for the center so that your 4th bullet will hit as a bodyshot OR a crit.

Execution: DI, jumping, it's important when you shoot, it helps you trace, and it makes it harder for the opponent to shoot you. All that egS dodging doesn't really help when you're aiming with smgs, so you can TRY to look like Neo in the Matrix, but just be aware that abusing wave dash won't help you any better in aiming with smgs. Smgs take concentration, and a keen sense of your crosshair~ (which I recall Versa did say that above)

The best thing, however, is to practice, practice, practice! Practice makes perfect (again, like Versa said above), and also, if you just need to practice where the bullets will go, have a friend move around for you, or stick an enemy nell or turret down and then shoot at it at certain distances which you're unfamiliar to. Also, have confidence!

Again, my execution of these strategies is just really flawed, so don't expect me to get anything right ingame~ @ - @ I'm pretty noob when it comes to just even playing S4, Q Q;;

#endpost (Amure talks too much)

PS and if I was talking about the totally wrong thing, you guys can rip on me t - t

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Getting crits with HMG isn't as crucial as with other weapons, since it's meant to down your opponent in a few seconds anyway, but obviously you still gain an edge by being able to do it efficiently. Versa's advice is probably the best advice; don't go for body shots just because they're easier.

Personal input because I don't want to post the same thing that's been covered in this thread already: Don't think too hard. Don't think about the crosshair or the position of your target, that just gives the impression that you're doing too many things at once and you'll end up overcompensating. That doesn't mean the crosshair shouldn't be on their head, but you should make sure you're completely comfortable with aiming before you focus exclusively on crits. It's like learning a new language; if you think of the word in your first language and have to translate in your head what it means in the second language, it takes you far too long and you can't communicate effectively.

Second, don't bother with ribboning. It falls under the category of "thinking too hard". It's not worth it unless you can do it passively.

Third, pick out some flaws with your sensitivity and/or bad habits. I did this at one point; I realized my sensitivity was too high for me to aim accurately and I jumped...everywhere. Adjust accordingly, give yourself a week to see if it's better, then decide if you want to keep it. This won't improve your aim instantly or by much at all but it could give you more room to grow. Good luck.

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View PostVersa, on 23 December 2010 - 04:40 PM, said:



That goes under situational awareness. You want to really focus on your crosshair, while being aware of your surroundings. Playing DM helps a lot with improving this skill.


Situational awareness. This right here is good advice.

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I'd post an advice but everyone said it already
Good luck training

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if anything make good friends with people higher lvl than you and just play with them you will get better ^^

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