[Dre]

I would like to know what you people think. This is for SO and Guns.. I'm not even going to post my opinion... I just want to know yours.

[Outkast]

This threads been done some many times in different variations..........

[Dre]

Outkast, on 24 January 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

This threads been done some many times in different variations..........

Nice opinion, really answers my question.

This post has been edited by Genichimaru: 24 January 2012 - 06:59 PM

[Outkast]

Genichimaru, on 24 January 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

Nice opinion, really answers my question.

You can really look for your answers through the forums history.

But really isn't it all down to skill? Everyone is different no matter what time they started playing.

[blackyyy]

If it's non-AP :

Old Players because we have more passion and we're just old school >:D

[Hamlet Piglet]

old players mostly use voice chat and new players don't get along.
need i say more?

[Cashwin]

What kind of stupid question is this?
Obviously old players. Newer ones are mostly crybabies.

[Dre]

Cashwin, on 24 January 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

What kind of stupid question is this?
Obviously old players. Newer ones are mostly crybabies.

How is this a stupid question? I'm obviously an old player. I just wanted to know peoples opinion.

[Sukuyan]

Geez do I feel hurt of what you typed... I consider myself a new player ( started in end August) but I use voice chat and Im a cheerful player

[JinNJuice]

Statistically speaking, old players are better. REALISTICALLY speaking, neither.

New players complaining about how others have better everything.
Old players bashing on everyone, yet crapping themselves up.

This post has been edited by JinNJuice: 24 January 2012 - 10:28 PM

[box]

All depends on who, really.

And also depends how old/new. I've been playing for years but I'd probably be considered new, right? I think in St2, new players would have an equal chance of winning. Anything other than maybe st1/n1 DM would probably go in favor of old players.

Unless youre talking about retired old players. Then I would bet on new players. Unless you're talking about rookies....


Yeah ok your question is too broad. -___-

[Society-Q]

http://forums.chs5.n...lease-stand-up/

You might want to go to page 3; where most of the old vs new rant starts to form.

[Lauho]

It depends, current old players (without bringing back certain people) vs new players (not noob new players)?
Hands down
New players.

Why? Because most of them are still evolving how they play, they havn't been tainted by retarded worthless moves and skills. Where as not many old players tend to change how they play, they have gotten their mode, and don't really change from it. And since the new players play with old players everyday, they see the same shit over and over again, it gets easy to predict, where as if you never seen a player before you can't really decide/know how to counter them.

IF we took some of the retired oldest players vs new ones
Old Players.

Why? The Oldest players have never played with the new players. The New players probably havn't seen gameplay or skill like the retired players. They wouldn't know how to react to being rolled so easily. I mean even when retired players play a game or two, they tend to top the room all the time. They had something that new players or even 'older' players can never have.

Just my opionion thought, take it as you want.

[Energy]

DaimyoKiho, on 25 January 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

It depends, current old players (without bringing back certain people) vs new players (not noob new players)?
Hands down
New players.

Why? Because most of them are still evolving how they play, they havn't been tainted by retarded worthless moves and skills. Where as not many old players tend to change how they play, they have gotten their mode, and don't really change from it. And since the new players play with old players everyday, they see the same shit over and over again, it gets easy to predict, where as if you never seen a player before you can't really decide/know how to counter them.

IF we took some of the retired oldest players vs new ones
Old Players.

Why? The Oldest players have never played with the new players. The New players probably havn't seen gameplay or skill like the retired players. They wouldn't know how to react to being rolled so easily. I mean even when retired players play a game or two, they tend to top the room all the time. They had something that new players or even 'older' players can never have.

Just my opionion thought, take it as you want.

I quit because new players suck. (no offense really)

[Evaunit]

In most circumstances, older players are going to win. Most of the oldies that were really good are just far superior skill wise compared to almost everyone new/recently played and most of them have quit/barely play anymore. I can hardly think of that many people that even come close to decent, outside of S5 and people I know that are good.

Most of the "new gen" of s4 players just aren't good...nobody has high standards for playing anymore. :v

[JinNJuice]

I want to hear your opinion now, Genichimaru. I don't care if you said you don't want to post yours. Post it.

[Dre]

JinNJuice, on 25 January 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

I want to hear your opinion now, Genichimaru. I don't care if you said you don't want to post yours. Post it.

No

[SlayeZ]

From what I've seen:

Old Players at their prime > New players at their prime.


and yeah what DHA said, everyone quit cuz theres barely any competition anymore

EDIT: I lost all my screenshots from like before GUI change but heres the most recent one from my "LETS PLAY S4 FOR 2 DAYS AND NOT TOUCH IT AGAIN FOR MONTHS!"

This is not for Egoing ,it's to support my argument.

Keep in mind My current skill is very low due to inactivity and not caring!

Spoiler

Game 1:

Joined a room, kinda stacked 0-1 with like 5 minutes left

Half time:
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/BrawlSlayeZ/S4_20111212_151719.jpg

So I join in, outscore everyone on my team AND their team...and people asked what Stats I was using...you can read/see the rest for yourself.

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/BrawlSlayeZ/S4_20111212_151728.jpg

End game 1:
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/BrawlSlayeZ/S4_20111212_152736.jpg

Joined Random ass Game number 2, some Idiot "pro" on the other side with Triple FP and Master Set was bashing everyone..So i farmed points off him:
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/BrawlSlayeZ/S4_20111222_122858.jpg
Once again I outscored my team..and their team ;/

In both game 1 and 2, my team failed to even attain 100 points even after a whole round and a half. Aside from Rev he got pissed at The Egopro on the other side calling him bad so he left and rejoined on my side.
Game 3: This one was an AP room, I was the only one. THE ONLY ONE Naked. I kept up fine.
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/BrawlSlayeZ/S4_20111223_114545.jpg

Game 4: Joined a Random DM and some guy with Full AP++ suit and FP was like REV DUEL ME. and i was like sure why not:

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/BrawlSlayeZ/S4_20111224_210232.jpg

Beat him 12-7 naked, then i put on my FP rev and it became like 20-7 or something. He kept asking me how I did it, And i kept telling him FP makes him bad, he didnt believe me ;c

Game 5:
I was in at the very start of the game this time, didnt join late or anything, Using +2 MS shirt and +5 Melee def pants with pen HG/Semi/Rev...Yeah.

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/BrawlSlayeZ/S4_20111225_184439.jpg


Anyway, This isnt meant to bash anyone, but The standards for "good" in S4 has changed drastically, because to me, my performance in most of the matches were less than desirable. If I felt like I was doing bad (mainly because in the older days's mindset, it probably was bad!) then that's saying something ;/

Theres still a few great gems out there like Modpc and 2S though aside from a few remaining oldies, not alot of new players are all that impressive.

The S4 Community in it's current state does not want to help each other improve. Instead, the "domineering" ones create stacked rooms (thats been around since forever though, so..) and the new generation who are exposed to alot of hacks and stuff simply classify something they cant match as a hacker/lagger/abuser/etcetc. Also, the dependency on AP is rather Rampant, Wherein you'll see alot of people doing okay/bad with a normal set, and HAVE to switch to full Prem +triple FP just to keep up in the second half. So This is sending the wrong message to the newer generation, Insteaad of improving their gameplay/awareness/aim/teamwork, they just swipe their credit cards just to feel like they can make a difference.

put 2 and 2 together, you now have a little elitest mindset that goes YAAYAYAYA AP PUBHERO YESSS and not "Hey man Lets improve our game by sparring naked!"...which leads to a different standard of Who's good and who's isnt.

EDIT EDIT: Hell, there was a couple gun rooms who called me a "bridge noob" for using the bridge on ST2...I didnt know that was noobish to do until now. Hell, in SO now a days you'll see titles like NO CS/TB/BREAKER/YOURMOM NO BRIDGE/RAIL/RAMP ST2 STAIR ONLY...These little limitation farther hurts the community in a very obvious way:

1) You are now creating a legion of Stair Heros who has barely any regards for teamwork.
2) You lose the ability to learn matchups between different weapons from experience.
3) You won't break the fucking bridge because you think people won't use it.


If you put it in a Guns game prespective, its mainly about OMG ANCHOR:
1)Shoot the bitch down before they get their anchor off.
2)Shoot the bitch down when they reach their anchor destination.
3)Shoot the bitch down if it's in St2, they have a CS, and will Most likely do an air attack in the goal. THEY'RE STATIONARY FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME.
....

People who complain about anchor will not do ANY of those things...for god knows why :/


It's stuff like that holding the community down, + the divide in "Pros' to "newbies".

Wow holy shit now that I think about it theres a ton of communial problems, Lets all go play TF2 with caution yayaayyaa

This post has been edited by SlayeZ: 25 January 2012 - 06:54 PM

[StyxNStones]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I'm oldest player and I'm certainly terrible. Once you're past 20, things just go downhill.

Also you kids should get off my lawn!

[Outkast]

StyxNStones, on 25 January 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I'm oldest player and I'm certainly terrible. Once you're past 20, things just go downhill.

Also you kids should get off my lawn!

I'm older than you! oh wait damn you got me by like 2 months.....