[Dre]

Don't really know what to call it, I see it as reality, hoping to get a message to the people who has lost loved ones and also to change how people see things in life. (Its not long at all)


Human beings are so simple minded. They don't use their subconcious mind... When a baby is born into the world people are so happy to see it and when someone dies people cry well listen if you used your mind you would know this.. When a baby is born you should cry because the baby has to experience how hard life really is one day.. The suffering and the pain.. And when someone dies? You should be happy that their soul finally got rest. No more putting up with the stress or suffer nothing to cause em pain anymore..

Like it or not... It's the truth..

This post has been edited by Genichimaru: 10 January 2012 - 09:52 PM

[Mikki]

Genichimaru, on 10 January 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Don't really know what to call it, I see it as reality, hoping to get a message to the people who has lost loved ones and also to change how people see things in life. (Its not long at all)


Human beings are so simple minded. They don't use their subconcious mind... When a baby is born into the world people are so happy to see it and when someone dies people cry well listen if you used your mind you would know this.. When a baby is born you should cry because the baby has to experience how hard life really is one day.. The suffering and the pain.. And when someone dies? You should be happy that their soul finally got rest. No more putting up with the stress or suffer nothing to cause em pain anymore..

Like it or not... It's the truth..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/Prometeu/Fuck_yeah_meme.jpg
Nuff said..

[Paradise]

disagree

[Chauy]

You talk as if there's only one truth

[Lag]

But that's like, your opinion, man.

Forget it, I'm analyzing literature too far. I still think it makes little sense, though.

This post has been edited by Lag: 11 January 2012 - 01:48 AM

[Dre]

You people are in denial.

Lag, on 11 January 2012 - 01:11 AM, said:

But that's like, your opinion, man.

But seriously, why would anyone be stressed out and sad about new life. Are you controlling their life or know their parents are going to? Are they going to be forced into a lifestyle they will not enjoy? And when they die, people are going to be like "FUCK YEAH PARTY TIME"? That passage makes little sense to me.

You're confusing me, the passage is about a relative or someone close to the person dying, not about the person with the problems dying.. lol...

This post has been edited by -NoctiS: 25 January 2012 - 11:03 AM

[Lag]

Genichimaru, on 11 January 2012 - 01:26 AM, said:

You people are in denial.

Denial of what? Denial of agreeing with this passage that I believe is not "the truth"?

Let me ask you this: Why do you agree with this passage? Why do you believe this is "the truth"?

This post has been edited by Lag: 11 January 2012 - 01:50 AM

[Rei]

That's one way of looking at it. But there's not only bad things in life--there's good things, too. I think people rejoice when a baby is born because they get to pass down a bit of their knowledge and experience, as well as getting the chance at creating bonds with and taking care of someone they just naturally love.
People grieve when someone dies because death can be painful both physically and mentally. The people you shared close bonds with are gone forever (unless you believe otherwise), and you're undoubtedly going to miss them.

Those are just a few reasons... and of course it varies from person to person.

[Dre]

Lag, on 11 January 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

Denial of what? Denial of agreeing with this passage that I believe is not "the truth"?

Let me ask you this: Why do you agree with this passage? Why do you believe this is "the truth"?

Because it is the truth. I believe that a lot of people see things the opposite way because of the way their subconscious mind is trained already to think opposite of this is human nature. But when you really think about this it is the truth, now let me ask you something? Do you think it's right that a child has to suffer the agony of dealing with the world later in life? What is the good outcome of the world? If you become famous or rich there's photographers at your front door waiting for you to do something wrong a mess up in life so they can take a picture and make a big deal of it. They want to spread rumors, lies, and make you suffer. Let's look at Michael Jackson for an example he was a genius he did NOT rape little boys the boy called on the day of Michael Jackson's death as a man confronting that he only lied for money because he had felt guilty about what he(the boy) had done. People broke Michael down and now he is gone. Michael Jackson has done nothing but try to please his fans and bring peace to the world, he's even in the book of records for most donated to charity for little kids and now look what's happen? The world took him away but guess what? Now that he's dead, don't feel sorry, why? because he doesn't have to deal with the lies or rumors anymore I am very happy for Michael that he finally gets to sleep. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from lol and that is why I believe this is true, because when something like that happens to a good person like Michael imagine what could happen to everyone else.

[Paradise]

Genichimaru, on 14 January 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

Because it is the truth. I believe that a lot of people see things the opposite way because of the way their subconscious mind is trained already to think opposite of this is human nature. But when you really think about this it is the truth, now let me ask you something? Do you think it's right that a child has to suffer the agony of dealing with the world later in life? What is the good outcome of the world? If you become famous or rich there's photographers at your front door waiting for you to do something wrong a mess up in life so they can take a picture and make a big deal of it. They want to spread rumors, lies, and make you suffer. Let's look at Michael Jackson for an example he was a genius he did NOT rape little boys the boy called on the day of Michael Jackson's death as a man confronting that he only lied for money because he had felt guilty about what he(the boy) had done. People broke Michael down and now he is gone. Michael Jackson has done nothing but try to please his fans and bring peace to the world, he's even in the book of records for most donated to charity for little kids and now look what's happen? The world took him away but guess what? Now that he's dead, don't feel sorry, why? because he doesn't have to deal with the lies or rumors anymore I am very happy for Michael that he finally gets to sleep. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from lol and that is why I believe this is true, because when something like that happens to a good person like Michael imagine what could happen to everyone else.

Taking one example isn't good enough, though I do agree that any good things he did were pretty much destroyed by the accusations. That whole quote from the OP implies that EVERY single person dies without having a fulfilled life. You say dying should be rejoiced because the person is at peace they don't have to suffer anymore, but what about all the people with unfulfilled dreams? A lot of people are in a happy place in their life and would not like to die before they reach X goal. That statement is just too absolute to encompass everyone because not everyone is in the same situation. Some people do have it hard and maybe death would be some kind of blessing for them, but some people are in a relatively good place in life and if they had the choice to die or live I'm sure they'd choose life, which to me makes being happy about their death contrary.

[jjking]

Paradise, on 14 January 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

Taking one example isn't good enough, though I do agree that any good things he did were pretty much destroyed by the accusations. That whole quote from the OP implies that EVERY single person dies without having a fulfilled life. You say dying should be rejoiced because the person is at peace they don't have to suffer anymore, but what about all the people with unfulfilled dreams? A lot of people are in a happy place in their life and would not like to die before they reach X goal. That statement is just too absolute to encompass everyone because not everyone is in the same situation. Some people do have it hard and maybe death would be some kind of blessing for them, but some people are in a relatively good place in life and if they had the choice to die or live I'm sure they'd choose life, which to me makes being happy about their death contrary.

thats what i was about to say... agreed

[JinNJuice]

The moment someone says "I believe" make everything about this a clash of opinions. I know one thing is for sure. We all view life in our own ways, whether it is very similar to others' views or not.

A quote from a game titled "The World Ends With You". (or "It's A Wonderful World" for those who know it by its Japanese title)

Quote

I've got my values, so you can keep yours... Alright...?

[box]

Absolutely disagree lol. Like Show said, it depends on the situation. But personally, wtf I am very happy to be living. Just because life isn't easy, doesn't mean I'd rather not live. Hell I think it's definitely worth it for all the good things I get to experience. Your quote is refusing to believe there is any joy to life...which I whole heartily disagree with.

[Dre]

box, on 25 January 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

Absolutely disagree lol. Like Show said, it depends on the situation. But personally, wtf I am very happy to be living. Just because life isn't easy, doesn't mean I'd rather not live. Hell I think it's definitely worth it for all the good things I get to experience. Your quote is refusing to believe there is any joy to life...which I whole heartily disagree with.

At the end of the day you're going to die lol and how do you know you're not a live when you're not living on earth? How do you know you can't be happier? My quote isn't refusing that there is no joy to life. It's just stating that everyone goes through bad shit in their life. There is no one in the world who has never experienced a bad experience which is why when someone passes on you shouldn't cry, you should just be happy, because it's a blessing, no more bills, no more stress, the person is gone from the world but they're still living outside of it possibly experiencing better things than the world. The quote just states the irony of life but it's what ever you want it to be in your mind seeing as you've misconcepted the whole thing.

This post has been edited by Dre: 28 March 2012 - 06:15 PM

[JinNJuice]

There's no definite method of conception. We all have our own perceptions. It's nice to see that you're presenting your concept, but we choose how to conceive it for ourselves. People may have "limited" or "biased" thoughts, so forcing your concept in an arguement will only cause the clash of opinions to become more fierce of a battle.

[box]

Dre, on 28 March 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

At the end of the day you're going to die lol and how do you know you're not a live when you're not living on earth? How do you know you can't be happier? My quote isn't refusing that there is no joy to life. It's just stating that everyone goes through bad shit in their life. There is no one in the world who has never experienced a bad experience which is why when someone passes on you shouldn't cry, you should just be happy, because it's a blessing, no more bills, no more stress, the person is gone from the world but they're still living outside of it possibly experiencing better things than the world. The quote just states the irony of life but it's what ever you want it to be in your mind seeing as you've misconcepted the whole thing.

Your quote is a lot broader than the way you view it. I sincerely hope you realize the flaw in thinking I misconceived the whole thing.

First, you said people 'should' cry when babies are born because they have to face hardships. Well in that case, why should people not rejoice when a baby is born because that baby will get to experience the many joys of life? The same thing goes for what you said about death. Why 'should' we be happy when someone dies, when they don't get experience the joys of this life anymore? Almost everything you said can go both ways. It's obvious that there is good and bad in death and life. This pushes the fact that we should enjoy life and mourn death. You can't exactly do both. So people focus on what they know as fact.

If you think your quote clearly expresses your opinions that you've posted in your responses, than you are wrong. I can see what you're saying and I see your point about the irony, but your quote does not display that at all. If you wanted to be viewed as what you wrote here, then your quote is poorly worded and not detailed enough to portray that.

[Dre]

box, on 28 March 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

Your quote is a lot broader than the way you view it. I sincerely hope you realize the flaw in thinking I misconceived the whole thing.

First, you said people 'should' cry when babies are born because they have to face hardships. Well in that case, why should people not rejoice when a baby is born because that baby will get to experience the many joys of life? The same thing goes for what you said about death. Why 'should' we be happy when someone dies, when they don't get experience the joys of this life anymore? Almost everything you said can go both ways. It's obvious that there is good and bad in death and life. This pushes the fact that we should enjoy life and mourn death. You can't exactly do both. So people focus on what they know as fact.

If you think your quote clearly expresses your opinions that you've posted in your responses, than you are wrong. I can see what you're saying and I see your point about the irony, but your quote does not display that at all. If you wanted to be viewed as what you wrote here, then your quote is poorly worded and not detailed enough to portray that.

I already explained to you and everyone else who has really read this, yes people should be happy when they do experience many joys of life but there is still always a downfall to those "joys" right now the richest man in the world can't even enjoy his money because he has so much things that he doesn't even know what to buy anymore, that is the downfall of being rich and there is many other things that has a downfall, and as you stated I said people "should" and yes that is an opinion, but I'm trying to make people think out side the box of what's truely right. Let's put one of your family members in perspective, let's say they have joys in life from being rich but, they are a cancer patient, would you want them to enjoy the "joys of life" with their money? Or would you rather them be out of pain and suffering and would you acknowledge that once god has taken them away, they've gone to a better place? As you said it can be argue'd two ways, I think you're not understanding what I'm saying, you are not thinking outside the box, you're being too simple minded. I'm not trying to insult your intelligents when I say "simple minded" I'm just seeing it from a more common sense perspective.

This post has been edited by Dre: 29 March 2012 - 03:43 PM

[box]

Dre, on 29 March 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

I already explained to you and everyone else who has really read this, yes people should be happy when they do experience many joys of life but there is still always a downfall to those "joys" right now the richest man in the world can't even enjoy his money because he has so much things that he doesn't even know what to buy anymore, that is the downfall of being rich and there is many other things that has a downfall, and as you stated I said people "should" and yes that is an opinion, but I'm trying to make people think out side the box of what's truely right. Let's put one of your family members in perspective, let's say they have joys in life from being rich but, they are a cancer patient, would you want them to enjoy the "joys of life" with their money? Or would you rather them be out of pain and suffering and would you acknowledge that once god has taken them away, they've gone to a better place? As you said it can be argue'd two ways, I think you're not understanding what I'm saying, you are not thinking outside the box, you're being too simple minded. I'm not trying to insult your intelligents when I say "simple minded" I'm just seeing it from a more common sense perspective.

I already know everything you just said holy shit. I am not being simple minded at all. Your little poem only states one side - the opposite of what people do. And I disagree with what it says, how people should cry when a baby is born and be happy when someone dies. The natural emotion is the opposite of that. I agree with the natural emotion. I understand your point of view, and disagree with it. If you can cry when you have your first kid out of sadness, I will be very surprised.

Your poem or whatever does not say there are two sides. Your poem strictly says one is the 'truth'. And that people 'should' be doing a certain thing. If your point is that there are bad and good things in both life and death, then your point is not shown in the quote. It strictly says that your opinion is that people should be doing the opposite of what they do now.

I see it as common sense that there is bad and good. I know a baby will face hardships one day. But hell no am I going to cry out of sympathy for it when it's born. And yes, there is a possibility that a person in pain will be happier after death. But am I not going to cry? Hell no. I cry because I am going to miss them. Because they are no longer in mine or anyone else's life. I understand your quote entirely and do not feel the same way about it. I am not simple minded for having a different point of view.

If this was just to say there is both bad in birth and good in death, and that people should remember both instead of one, then you failed entirely when writing those 7 or so sentences.

[Dre]

box, on 29 March 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

I already know everything you just said holy shit. I am not being simple minded at all. Your little poem only states one side - the opposite of what people do. And I disagree with what it says, how people should cry when a baby is born and be happy when someone dies. The natural emotion is the opposite of that. I agree with the natural emotion. I understand your point of view, and disagree with it. If you can cry when you have your first kid out of sadness, I will be very surprised.

Your poem or whatever does not say there are two sides. Your poem strictly says one is the 'truth'. And that people 'should' be doing a certain thing. If your point is that there are bad and good things in both life and death, then your point is not shown in the quote. It strictly says that your opinion is that people should be doing the opposite of what they do now.

I see it as common sense that there is bad and good. I know a baby will face hardships one day. But hell no am I going to cry out of sympathy for it when it's born. And yes, there is a possibility that a person in pain will be happier after death. But am I not going to cry? Hell no. I cry because I am going to miss them. Because they are no longer in mine or anyone else's life. I understand your quote entirely and do not feel the same way about it. I am not simple minded for having a different point of view.

If this was just to say there is both bad in birth and good in death, and that people should remember both instead of one, then you failed entirely when writing those 7 or so sentences.

Didn't bother reading this. I'm not going to debate with someone who does not agree with what I agree with, it's opinions, I just feel mine is stronger, but whatever floats your boat is good as well? Bai.

[Chauy]

Dre, on 30 March 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

Didn't bother reading this. I'm not going to debate with someone who does not agree with what I agree with

Wow

de·bate
noun
1. a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints
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