[Chauy]

http://na.leagueofle...d.php?t=1372281

This post has been edited by Chauy: 21 October 2011 - 08:16 PM

[Hamlet Piglet]

So that was you... I saw that a while back and thought nah can't be him...

[SeoulHeart ♥]

LOL OP support is OP

[Chauy]

QQed In A Tutu, on 21 October 2011 - 09:06 PM, said:

So that was you... I saw that a while back and thought nah can't be him...

Yup was me c:
Only time I've been unable to get my Chauy name is in Dragon Nest....some bastard stole it qq

[Hamlet Piglet]

I tested it out way back alongside sona's buff, and my only problem with this is rally's placement in the masteries

[Chauy]

QQed In A Tutu, on 22 October 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

I tested it out way back alongside sona's buff, and my only problem with this is rally's placement in the masteries

Yup, so far that seems to be the biggest off-put for people (at least judging from my thread)
I personally have no problem with it; Rally Taric has worked amazing for me in every game I've tried him with (although I duo-q'd to make sure my bot lane partner wouldn't be terrible)

-edit-
Since it is in the offensive tree mastery I find it's important to get the improved exhaust
You do /not/ need Flash as Rally Taric and the improved exhaust helps your lane get early kills and helps your team out far more in the long run

The other biggest drawback is no CV on your team (or at least none from you), but if someone else on your team brings CV then it's all good (for example, if you had a blitz he could bring it, or a tryn, and the way I play Caitlyn I have CV too so it could work)

This post has been edited by Chauy: 22 October 2011 - 04:57 PM

[Hamlet Piglet]

It's not about the other summoner spells, but more of taric's early/mid game that suffers. You're sacrificing sustain, cd, and team fight durability. On a utility champ with only a 1v1 escape, it's a big downside.

The cooldown is very high as well which makes it not worth getting vs good players imo.

[Chauy]

QQed In A Tutu, on 22 October 2011 - 05:11 PM, said:

It's not about the other summoner spells, but more of taric's early/mid game that suffers. You're sacrificing sustain, cd, and team fight durability. On a utility champ with only a 1v1 escape, it's a big downside.

The cooldown is very high as well which makes it not worth getting vs good players imo.

You misunderstood me, I know it isn't about the summoner spells
I'm just saying that since it is in the offensive tree, you might as well get the improved exhaust to help your team out more

As for early/mid game, I haven't had any problems at all so I can't really understand what you're talking about (although I'm sure it would be easier with optimal masteries)

The cooldown is a legitimate problem and something that I admitted in the thread
But the buffs are too significant for me to ignore, I mean it's more than triple the AP that baron gives...people don't like baron for the hp/mp regen, they like it for the AD/AP buff
There is no way that Rally Taric won't make a difference when the Rally and Ult are well-timed, and it will definitely make the outcome of a game

Also the key thing here is "utility champ"
That's the reason I take exhaust with rally
It is an extremely effective combo on Taric

[Hamlet Piglet]

Chauy, on 22 October 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

You misunderstood me, I know it isn't about the summoner spells
I'm just saying that since it is in the offensive tree, you might as well get the improved exhaust to help your team out more

As for early/mid game, I haven't had any problems at all so I can't really understand what you're talking about (although I'm sure it would be easier with optimal masteries)

The cooldown is a legitimate problem and something that I admitted in the thread
But the buffs are too significant for me to ignore, I mean it's more than triple the AP that baron gives...people don't like baron for the hp/mp regen, they like it for the AD/AP buff
There is no way that Rally Taric won't make a difference when the Rally and Ult are well-timed, and it will definitely make the outcome of a game

Also the key thing here is "utility champ"
That's the reason I take exhaust with rally
It is an extremely effective combo on Taric

When I said it's not about the summoner spells im talking about when you went into the missing out on flash and cv etc.
Focusing on rally itself there's a lot of useless pick outs for aura taric on the way there.
The buff isn't triple nashors on it's own though so you're still overestimating it although I know it is powerful.

The buff itself isn't my problem, it's how available it is and how it affects the character leading up to the point when it really makes a difference. Taric as a character I find is poorly built as he steals the carries minions to support the carry. The way people get around that is to get runes and masteries to counter it out. His second role is that he helps on the harass which means he's usually going to have to get in for the stun. Fulfilling these roles Taric inevitably pushes the lane which is golden to a jungler. At this point you need an escape or defense, and taric isn't fast or strong either as well as being weaker to ap/gap closers with hard CC/true damage characters.

Anywhere past 1500 elo is just a laning phase meta anyways and taric is probably one of the easier supports to focus down and gank as he's like Leona with less damage and lower hp. At this point it is best to not underestimate the strength of spirit hp regen as it is probably one of the best masteries out there for those who can abuse it.
Then there's also cds because taric god forbid will get kited... and his cds are long as hell. Not to mention the amount of ap/ad you get isn't the actual damage as there's ratios and reductions.

Anyways I'm just looking at better player's (the hotshotnidaleeggs and regifags) and trying to see how it would come into play. I can't make an assessment in pubs because anything can happen in pubs. You see prostitute stacking manamunes on vlad and carrying, then you realize you can't rely on pubs for analysis.